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You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Spitfire » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:32 pm

I heard FS was due to come to Cornwall last weekend for the first time ever and I went to the local Sainsburys in Penzance (built on the old Heliport - but that's another story ;) ) as they have a cafe balcony overlooking the mainline into Penzance station ...

I saw this iconic green thing hove into view and I was gutted ... nay devastated... and hugely disappointed ...by what I saw X( ~x( Not a a beautiful Apple Green LNER 4472 but a wishy washy BR green 60103 :( :( :( Millions of quid and they got it wrong ... just in my opinion of course ;) :p

Now I know everyone talks of originality and its last days in BR livery ... and there's smoke deflector discussions ... and A3 v A1 etc etc BUT ... I've said it before I believe that in the public psyche and general perception Flying Scotsman just IS 4472 - LNER Green ... shame ...

Wish I hadn't bothered ... plus the fact that like Trigger's broom it probably isn't the same locomotive I 'cabbed' on Shrewsbury station when I was a boy back in the early 60s ...

And to see it being dragged backwards at the end of the train by a diesel when it left Penzance just added to the bad feelings ... :( :-o
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby 34053 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:32 pm

Oh dear. :-o

I do understand your point of view, David. Rest assured that, at sometime, she will revert to her 4472 Identity and Livery.
Like you, I really do hate those smoke deflectors! Anyway, as you no doubt already know, I am rather prejudiced: being a 'Southern Railways' fan, give be a 'Bulleid' Pacific every time. :D

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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Spitfire » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:14 pm

[quote="34053"] Rest assured that, at sometime, she will revert to her 4472 Identity and Livery.

Can't come soon enough - its a travesty [-x :-o :p
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Vulcan Bomber » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:02 pm

You do realize its just paint don't you? If you look at the 9Fs currently, 92214 is painted Brunswick Green when she should be plain black... the important thing is in what ever guise, it/she is still around, and not sauce pans.

Oh, and almost certanly nothing of Flying Scotsman is original now.

Its not uncommon for Diesel Locomotives to be on the back of a steam service in this day and age Flying Scotsman will be permitted to do 75mph facing the right way, but in Tender first she'll only be allowed to do 45mph, so with a lack of turning facility in your area, there better off dragging them out with a derv powered alternative.
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Sooty655 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:48 pm

Vulcan Bomber wrote:You do realize its just paint don't you? If you look at the 9Fs currently, 92214 is painted Brunswick Green when she should be plain black... the important thing is in what ever guise, it/she is still around, and not sauce pans.

Oh, and almost certanly nothing of Flying Scotsman is original now.

Its not uncommon for Diesel Locomotives to be on the back of a steam service in this day and age Flying Scotsman will be permitted to do 75mph facing the right way, but in Tender first she'll only be allowed to do 45mph, so with a lack of turning facility in your area, there better off dragging them out with a derv powered alternative.


Don't confuse him with facts, VB. He's already made up his mind. :p :p :p
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Vulcan Bomber » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:39 pm

Sooty655 wrote:
Vulcan Bomber wrote:You do realize its just paint don't you? If you look at the 9Fs currently, 92214 is painted Brunswick Green when she should be plain black... the important thing is in what ever guise, it/she is still around, and not sauce pans.

Oh, and almost certanly nothing of Flying Scotsman is original now.

Its not uncommon for Diesel Locomotives to be on the back of a steam service in this day and age Flying Scotsman will be permitted to do 75mph facing the right way, but in Tender first she'll only be allowed to do 45mph, so with a lack of turning facility in your area, there better off dragging them out with a derv powered alternative.


Don't confuse him with facts, VB. He's already made up his mind. :p :p :p



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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Spitfire » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:35 pm

Sorry boys .. facts.. schmacts .. .. you are confusing me with someone who gives a monkey's [-x

There are 'Facts', 'Reasons' and 'Justifications' for loads of things in life .... doesnt mean I have to like them though :ymdevil: ~x(

The hugely expensive heap of new metal parts that is now called Flying Scotsman should be painted the 'correct' green with the 'correct' number - IN MY HUMBLE OPINION - and ... it shouldn't be limited to 45mph when going tender first either (#elfnsafety) ~x( .... end of ... \:D/

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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Vulcan Bomber » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:06 pm

More fuel to your fire then.... Which chimney should she have? The original one with 1 hole in, or the double she's had for a while now that's got 2 holes, vastly improving her ability to steam and reduce the amount of coal the bloke on the shovel has to shift?
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Spitfire » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:11 pm

Vulcan Bomber wrote:More fuel to your fire then.... Which chimney should she have? The original one with 1 hole in, or the double she's had for a while now that's got 2 holes, vastly improving her ability to steam and reduce the amount of coal the bloke on the shovel has to shift?


Who cares as long as its the the right basic shape, wheel configuration and the 'right' colour with the 'right' number (as detailed previously :p ) :D

Probably a trick question anyway - I sense a trap ;) #suspicious
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Vulcan Bomber » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:15 pm

Spitfire wrote:
Vulcan Bomber wrote:More fuel to your fire then.... Which chimney should she have? The original one with 1 hole in, or the double she's had for a while now that's got 2 holes, vastly improving her ability to steam and reduce the amount of coal the bloke on the shovel has to shift?


Who cares as long as its the the right basic shape, wheel configuration and the 'right' colour with the 'right' number (as detailed previously :p ) :D

Probably a trick question anyway - I sense a trap ;) #suspicious


No, I'm not trying to trap you at all, I'm just seeing how bothered about it you actually are... To me the chimney is more important than the colour of the paint. To be authentic she should be single chimney and no smoke deflectors at all to be 4472.
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

Postby Spitfire » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:53 pm

Well for me its all about the aesthetic 'look' and about memory and early experiences ... the bells and whistles and chimneys and smoke deflectors dont really matter to me .. and yes I'm probably a bit mixed up in my thinking/memories as there are probably bits it has now it didn't have then and vice versa ...

But it REALLY is about the visual cues to me - the LNER Green and that iconic number just ARE Flying Scotsman.

As I've said I cabbed it as a young lad at Shrewbury station when a kind fireman let me on board whilst the driver was engaged 'elsewhere' ... and another time standing by the track in a field with my Dad and much younger sister in Shropshire somewhere to watch it thunder by at full chat ...and even in that brief moment I knew it WAS the Flying Scotsman just because of the colour and THAT number B-)

Hey ho ... things change ... but not always for the better IMHO .. ;)
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Re: You locomotive enthusiasts ... Flying Scotsman

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