Appeal Update

[Xplumberlives]

GOOD point!

[Gully]

The Bournemouth stand was located with all the other "charity" free-pitch stalls - the Boscombe Pier end of the sea front. The date of booking was irrelevant. If we'd paid to be along with the RAF / Navy / Army stands, the Club's fundraising potential would have been seriously dented. As for Dr. P bringing "clout" with the organisers, this was a CLUB stand, not Trust, plus '558 went tech in 2008 and missed the show - something we were reminded of on countless occasions - so not a position of strength to work from.

However, things are looking better for 2010 (assuming we are flying) - the organisers recognise the value Vulcan adds to their show and they even went so far as to say we can pitch the Vulcan Village on the beach alongside the main Pier! No doubt the official line will be slightly tempered, but 2009 has set us in good stead with nearly all the airshow organisers and should benefit us 2010.

Gully

[Xplumberlives]

Thank you for your explanation Gully!

[Dan4th]

One would THINK that the UK airshow
organizers would make the connection
and offer their generous support to
Ye Loud, Loverly XH558 in her most
recent hour of need.....

This isn't to say that the various airshow
entities should give, but that the people
who sit on those boards and the people
who do paid work for the shows OUGHT
to see the benefit to themselves as
individuals if the Vulcan keeps flying!

For the shows themselves and for those
who profit from them, it all boils-down to
a pocketbook issue, after all......

Flying Vulcan = Big Attendance

No Vulcan = Large Drop

Danf.

[PhantomAviator]

T

However, things are looking better for 2010 (assuming we are flying) - the organisers recognise the value Vulcan adds to their show and they even went so far as to say we can pitch the Vulcan Village on the beach alongside the main Pier! No doubt the official line will be slightly tempered, but 2009 has set us in good stead with nearly all the airshow organisers and should benefit us 2010.

Gully

This is a catch 22 situation. The length of the seafront from Bournemouth to Boscombe (1.6 Miles) is such that I think warrants more than one stand.
For those at the Bournemouth Pier will not want to walk all the way to Boscombe Pier and Vice Versa.
People joining the crowds at the centre via the cliff lifts and then heading towards Boscombe would miss the Vulcan Village if it was at Bournemouth Pier and similar if they were heading towards Bournemouth if the Village was at Boscombe Pier.
The Village at one end and a satellite stand at the other would I think be able to capture the most interest.
Thereby possibly generating the most support.

[Old Rigger]

Well I just got my Vulcan effect DVD (I think it is very good personally) and one of the first comments was how well the trust did in the appeal for funding at the beginning of the year with the help of the club to provide all with the success that this year was.

I must have fallen asleep at some point at the beginning of the year and missed something as my memory was a quick missive from the trust to club of give us money or else and then disappear down the usual rabbit hole, exactly what I have seen to date at the end of the year.

Where is the trust visible in getting out there canvassing people, companies and the media, as it seems to be the club membership doing it all again on their own and at the last minute again, unless I am just reading the wrong publications, watching the wrong news programmes at the wrong time .

[Xplumberlives]

You're NOT wrong!

[Gully]

T

However, things are looking better for 2010 (assuming we are flying) - the organisers recognise the value Vulcan adds to their show and they even went so far as to say we can pitch the Vulcan Village on the beach alongside the main Pier! No doubt the official line will be slightly tempered, but 2009 has set us in good stead with nearly all the airshow organisers and should benefit us 2010.

Gully

This is a catch 22 situation. The length of the seafront from Bournemouth to Boscombe (1.6 Miles) is such that I think warrants more than one stand.
For those at the Bournemouth Pier will not want to walk all the way to Boscombe Pier and Vice Versa.
People joining the crowds at the centre via the cliff lifts and then heading towards Boscombe would miss the Vulcan Village if it was at Bournemouth Pier and similar if they were heading towards Bournemouth if the Village was at Boscombe Pier.
The Village at one end and a satellite stand at the other would I think be able to capture the most interest.
Thereby possibly generating the most support.

Multiple stands are being considered for Bournemouth 2010 and (I believe) Southport of the seaside shows, plus RIAT. It was trialled at Lowestoft this year where we actually ended up with three separate Vulcan stands (one of them being Delta Lady), which was probably one too many. The Village supplemented by a double gazebo located elsewhere is probably the right answer IMO.

Gully

[Nickolas]

How about stands at 1/3rd distance along the 'line'.

That way if the line is 1.6 miles long you are a gnats over 1/2 mile apart. Which I'm sure you will agree is a bit of a stroll................

[Air]

How about stands at 1/3rd distance along the 'line'.

That way if the line is 1.6 miles long you are a gnats over 1/2 mile apart. Which I'm sure you will agree is a bit of a stroll................

Is there even enough manpower to run three stalls and another one at Shoreham on the same day(s)?

Not to mention the additional costs of three stands.

A presence at B/mth and Boscombe ends would be good, but if it came to it and only one stand were available then the B/mth pier end would be preferable.

Then just pray the Vulcan turns up!

[Pujgnie]

A presence at B/mth and Boscombe ends would be good, but if it came to it and only one stand were available then the B/mth pier end would be preferable.

Then the folks on the centre line will dip out - with a major hike in either direction. Nickolas has the 'ideal' scenario... but sadly due to costs - it won't happen.

Bournemouths' pitch is difficult to call. I expect prime spots (like Pier Approach) cost humungous money. I suggest they move all the 'out of town' Burger bars and beer/charity/Naff and crap gift stalls to the Boscombe end

[Air]

A presence at B/mth and Boscombe ends would be good, but if it came to it and only one stand were available then the B/mth pier end would be preferable.

Then the folks on the centre line will dip out - with a major hike in either direction. Nickolas has the 'ideal' scenario... but sadly due to costs - it won't happen.

Bournemouths' pitch is difficult to call. I expect prime spots (like Pier Approach) cost humungous money. I suggest they move all the 'out of town' Burger bars and beer/charity/Naff and crap gift stalls to the Boscombe end

As I've discussed already , Nikolas' idea probably isn't feasible due to costs and manpower with Shoreham being on the same weekend.

There are three main access points to the display. B/mth pier, Boscombe pier or down the zig/zags from the clifftops.
I'd say conservatively that 65% will use the B/mth pier entrance to enter and exit the display area. If there were only one stand available, it makes sense to position it at the B/mth pier end where the crown numbers would be larger than the two other access/exit points.

Unless it's possible to have three stalls, then you simply can't cover such a wide area and need to position the stand where it will be seen by the majority. IE: near B/mth pier end.

[PhantomAviator]

As I've discussed already , Nikolas' idea probably isn't feasible due to costs and manpower with Shoreham being on the same weekend.

With regards to Manpower.
How many times have you heard of discussions about things not happening at events, (not just air displays), due to lack of manpower. Only to have someone say 'Well, I would have loved to help, but no one asked me'
Or even the proverbial, 'Didn't know it was happening no one mentioned it'.
Manpower? I don't think that will be the problem.

Negativity is one of the major problems to be faced. IMHO.

Also as it is such a long time off.

Why rule out costs at this earlier stage? (you never know miracles have been known to happen).

Someone once said 'You have to speculate to accumulate'.
(Now who was it said that? can't quite remember).

[Dan4th]

I would have guessed P.T. Barnum, but..........

Entry from November 03, 2008
“You have to speculate to accumulate” (gambling proverb)
"Speculate to accumulate” (that is, “take chances to win big") appears to have started in gambling and was cited by Broadway scribe Walter Winchell by 1941. The phrase is more popular in England than in the United States. The English comic novelist P. G. Wodehouse (1881-1975) wrote, in 1924, that “If you don’t speculate, you can’t accumulate.”

Wall Street has also occasionally used the phrase “speculate to accumulate,” although the phrase hasn’t been nearly as popular in America.

Danf.

[Sooty655]

My next update will be just before Christmas and will be the last before the New Year – and decision time.

Anyone heard anything?

He's cutting it a bit fine, but I suppose that's about normal.

[Wedgy]

Promise to Deliver
Deliver what you Promise

hmmmm

[Xplumberlives]

My next update will be just before Christmas and will be the last before the New Year – and decision time.

Anyone heard anything?

He's cutting it a bit fine, but I suppose that's about normal.

I expect he has managed to forget about the supporters!

[Ramshornvortex]

Anyone heard anything?

Email received just now:

Dear Supporter,

May I, on behalf of everyone here at Vulcan To The Sky, wish you all the compliments of the season. Do have a wonderful Christmas and a happy New Year.

Your support throughout 2009 has really been much appreciated and we all hope for brighter skies in 2010.


Kind Regards,

Robert Pleming, Chief Executive Vulcan To The Sky Trust

Does this count??

[Xplumberlives]

That can only go out to those whose addresses they have, not really what we were hoping for!

[Sooty655]

And not in any way an update on the progress of the appeal. It's just a bloody Christmas card.

[Mayfly]

The Bournemouth stand was located with all the other "charity" free-pitch stalls - the Boscombe Pier end of the sea front. The date of booking was irrelevant. If we'd paid to be along with the RAF / Navy / Army stands, the Club's fundraising potential would have been seriously dented. As for Dr. P bringing "clout" with the organisers, this was a CLUB stand, not Trust, plus '558 went tech in 2008 and missed the show - something we were reminded of on countless occasions - so not a position of strength to work from.

However, things are looking better for 2010 (assuming we are flying) - the organisers recognise the value Vulcan adds to their show and they even went so far as to say we can pitch the Vulcan Village on the beach alongside the main Pier! No doubt the official line will be slightly tempered, but 2009 has set us in good stead with nearly all the airshow organisers and should benefit us 2010.

Gully

The problem is most airshows will not give good pitches to Charity stalls because that is how the organisers make their money - To be ensured of a good pitch the club has to either pay or make sure it is included as part of the Vulcan appearance fee. The problem with that as I see it is the Trust management will see it as helping the club for gratis. However if you think what the club as given to the trust financially I believe it will pay dividends. The old Vulcan Association always paid for their pithes & made mega amounts selling their merchandise & gained lots of news members.

[Xplumberlives]

The Bournemouth stand was located with all the other "charity" free-pitch stalls - the Boscombe Pier end of the sea front. The date of booking was irrelevant. If we'd paid to be along with the RAF / Navy / Army stands, the Club's fundraising potential would have been seriously dented. As for Dr. P bringing "clout" with the organisers, this was a CLUB stand, not Trust, plus '558 went tech in 2008 and missed the show - something we were reminded of on countless occasions - so not a position of strength to work from.

However, things are looking better for 2010 (assuming we are flying) - the organisers recognise the value Vulcan adds to their show and they even went so far as to say we can pitch the Vulcan Village on the beach alongside the main Pier! No doubt the official line will be slightly tempered, but 2009 has set us in good stead with nearly all the airshow organisers and should benefit us 2010.

Gully

The problem is most airshows will not give good pitches to Charity stalls because that is how the organisers make their money - To be ensured of a good pitch the club has to either pay or make sure it is included as part of the Vulcan appearance fee. The problem with that as I see it is the Trust management will see it as helping the club for gratis. However if you think what the club as given to the trust financially I believe it will pay dividends. The old Vulcan Association always paid for their pithes & made mega amounts selling their merchandise & gained lots of news members.

And if that is the case, what happens in the event of a NON APPEARANCE?

[Sploosher]

well, if they'd started the appeal earlier in the year, at the BEGINNING of the airshow season............

of course, i can understand that Dr. Pleming has only just become aware that 558 is fifty years old next year

sm

I totally agree with you there SM.

A definate case of `lack of forward thinking`