A Numb Question::::::::::

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A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:23 pm

Does anyone know what is the state of
558's HVAC system?

That would be Heat/Ventilation/Air Conditioning.....

Do they alternate between Baking/Freezing?

What are the provisions for the aircrew?

I woke up at 03:00 the other night with this
question, so I was just wondering.......

Anyone know?

And yes, I DO dream about things like this!

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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Xplumberlives » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:24 pm

Dan4th wrote:Does anyone know what is the state of
558's HVAC system?

That would be Heat/Ventilation/Air Conditioning.....

Do they alternate between Baking/Freezing?

What are the provisions for the aircrew?

I woke up at 03:00 the other night with this
question, so I was just wondering.......


Anyone know?

Danf.



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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:25 pm

No, I am saner than most "Mental
Health Professionals", thank you!

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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Gaz » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:35 am

I have met some pretty mental, health care professionals!
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Ramshornvortex » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:33 pm

Anyway, back to the question...........

The systems work exactly as they always have, with the exception of air ventilated suits. The air conditioning on Vulcans was/is exactly that, i.e. conditioning yes, cooling not much. So, bearing in mind they only fly in the summer at relatively low level, the aircrew will tend to be on the moist side of warm most of the time (hence carrying copious amounts of water to drink and not needing to use the pee-tubes!).

As far as the rest of the air systems are concerned, they can pressurise the cockpit to two different cabin altitudes (but don't need to), they can breath either cabin air, a mixture of oxygen and air or 100% oxygen as individual aircrew members decide. The co-pilot manages all the air systems on a Vulcan - all the controls and switches are on his right hand side panel.

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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:05 pm

Thanks for that, RHV........

I had been under the (erroneous) impression that
during the restoration, the cockpit seals were old
and deemed too expensive or nigh on to impossible
to replace. This was the explanation at that time
for the altitude restrictions placed on her by the CAA......

Now, I know that pressurization is all tied-into the
HVAC system, so I wondered what might have been
removed or replaced in that area.

So, then, 558's cockpit CAN be pressurized and to
two levels. And they DO carry oxygen.

Does this mean she could (theoretically) be flown
safely above her current altitude limits if need be?

And yes, I know 558's "office" is no luxury accommodation :p

HVAC system is, as you say, basic at best......

But then, it always HAS been basic.

Thanks again, RHV, this is very interesting!

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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Ducati Boy » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:13 pm

The cabin pressurisation system is physically capable of being pressurised, however it was decided, during the restoration, that the pressurisation system in 558 was to be permanently wire locked in the vent position so as to continually vent the cabin to atmosphere. This is to prevent the cabin from being pressurised, thereby saving wear and tear on the pressure cabin structure and extending the airframe life. :)

As for the airconditioning, I believe it was originally designed to cope with keeping things hot at high altitude and is not very efficient at cooling at low level.

The O2 system is still fully functional and serviceable and is used when required during transit. :)
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:11 am

PAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was worth all the typing just to
get you back on here for once!!!!!!

Nice to know you're still Alive and
Kick-Starting!

Murkin Buddy;

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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Ducati Boy » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:10 am

Dan4th wrote:PAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was worth all the typing just to
get you back on here for once!!!!!!

Nice to know you're still Alive and
Kick-Starting!

Murkin Buddy;

Dan4th

Cheers D4th, been buried in the depths of the QA and Health and Safety world sorting all our QA documentation and operating regulations and procedures for a very busy time this year.
Also became a Grandad this week, strange feeling seeing new blood enter the family after 32 years of just my lovely daughter.
Anyway, I'm back for a while at least so feel free to ask anything Vulcan 558 related and I will answer if I can. :D
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dee » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:38 pm

Lovely to see you knocking about again Pat :) ;) And congrats on the addition to the family xx
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Jigsaw » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:37 pm

Great to see you posting DB (and informative as usual). Congrats on becoming a grandparent, happened to me this year too :D
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:03 pm

NOW:

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SOON:

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UH-OH!

Watch Out, Pat!!!!!!!!

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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Ducati Boy » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:07 pm

Dee wrote:Lovely to see you knocking about again Pat :) ;) And congrats on the addition to the family xx
Thanks Dee, I didn't do much really, only provided the daughter =)) =)) =))

Hey D4th, like the Ducati kit on the wee bairn. Scary how all babies look the same though. If thats an electric trike, you could re-wind the motor to double the turns of wire and get it to wheelie OOOOOOOOOOOORAAA :D :ymdevil:

Jigsaw: Great being a Grandad and knowing whats coming next, but not telling, so you can smile beneignly when the parents get it wrong and you save the day. :ymdevil: :ymdevil:
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Jigsaw » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:09 pm

=)) =)) DB

I have just found out I have another grandchild on the way too :D.....double the fun eh? ;)
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:17 pm

All I can say is that if he's anything like YOU..........

Well, you'll be prepared, I HOPE!

Danf.

PS Edit:::::::::::

Have we determined the gender of your grandchild?

Either way is fine with ME!

D.
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Jigsaw » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:23 pm

I'm not sure I know what you mean sir :))
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Re: A Numb Question::::::::::

Postby Dan4th » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:28 pm

I was speaking to Pat, but I
guess it applies to YOU as WELL!

LOOK OUT WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!

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