Engineering Director

[Saracenman]

I know some of you here hate the man (especially Sara Cenman), so how did he get the job of Engineering Director if he's as crap as you say?

I've looked on the main TVOC website, but it doesn't have any background information on him or his qualifications, so can anyone fill in the gaps please.

Just interested.

edited by SM

[Sooty655]

I know some of you here hate the man (especially Sara Cenman), so how did he get the job of Engineering Director if he's as crap as you say?

I've looked on the main TVOC website, but it doesn't have any background information on him or his qualifications, so can anyone fill in the gaps please.

Just interested.

It never has had. His CV has read "TEXT REQUIRED" from day 1.

[Nickolas]

Looked on Linkedin and he ain't on their list.
(certainly not the first entry)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/andrew/edmondson/

[Xplumberlives]

The can of worms has been opened!

[Dan4th]

I don't think anyone actually HATES "The Boss",
it's just that.......well.........there are just
so many people who could potentially do the
present, post restoration function far better.

And I, for one, really Would like to see his CV........

Danf.

[Air]

Sara is bound to know all his credentials......or lack of........

[Dan4th]

I don't know, Andrew. They don't seem
to be a matter of public record other
than just generalities.......

Danf.

[Xplumberlives]

Sara is bound to know all his credentials......or lack of........

He is away until tomorrow, so we might get a SHORT answer from him upon his return!

[Dan4th]

Don't get short with Saracenman, Dave...

He'll Bite you on the Kneecap!

D.

[Xplumberlives]

Don't get short with Saracenman, Dave...

He'll Bite you on the Kneecap!

D.

He'd Kneed a run up!

[Sploosher]

I know some of you here hate the man (especially Sara Cenman), so how did he get the job of Engineering Director if he's as crap as you say?

I've looked on the main TVOC website, but it doesn't have any background information on him or his qualifications, so can anyone fill in the gaps please.

Just interested.

Thats a very good question.......................

[Hungry Haggis]

Don't get short with Saracenman, Dave...

He'll Bite you on the Kneecap!

D.

He'd Kneed a run up!

Surely that should be a ladder or even stilts.

[Saracenman]

Air, i have only "hated" a mere handful of people in my life, and AE is certainly not one of them!

i have met AE, and i found him to be an extremely amiable and pleasant person

however, i have very little respect for his professional managerial qualities. over the years that i have been 'involved' with 558, and many of those who've worked directly with VTST, i have discovered that very few, if any at all, have a good thing to say about how AE conducts himself professionally

i have personally encountered his lack of managerial skill on several occasions. even as i type, there is still an unresolved issue, with which i am personally involved, where AE's inability to manage his employees appropriately is seriously thwarting the progress of VTST, both financially, and from a business 'policy' perspective

i am far from being alone in these views

sm

[Dlwbrunty]

SM. I can honestly say that I echo your statement. I have known him for a number of years, and always found him amenable,. My personal view is that he must be allowed to answer these critisisms upon his return.
I shall wait and see................................
Does anyone know if there are any pink pigs scheduled to fly in the near future?????

[Sooty655]

however, i have very little respect for his professional managerial qualities. over the years that i have been 'involved' with 558, and many of those who've worked directly with VTST, i have discovered that very few, if any at all, have a good thing to say about how AE conducts himself professionally

i have personally encountered his lack of managerial skill on several occasions. even as i type, there is still an unresolved issue, with which i am personally involved, where AE's inability to manage his employees appropriately is seriously thwarting the progress of VTST, both financially, and from a business 'policy' perspective

Whilst I have a great deal of faith in SM's judgment, the problem is that these issues are, to at least some extent, opinion. Management style can always be defended by the "it has always worked for me" argument.

In my view, it would be much more productive to enquire as to professional and technical qualifications and prior relevant experience.

[Dee]

Ive only just clicked on to who Sara Cenman is!!

[PhantomAviator]

I do know that Andrew was in the RAF, at one time stationed at RAF Conningsby.

I understood that this was public knowledge.

With regards to his profile on the TVOC site, when the site went tits up shortly after first flight a lot of items vanished.
The claim for this was that the person responsible for the site had found a problem and was putting it right.
To my knowledge this problem as never been corrected.
I have on several occasions emailed about this and had replies explaining that it was been restructured etc.

So with regards to Andrews profile being 'TEXT REQUIRED' from day one I am sorry Sooty but that was not the case.

[Sooty655]

I do know that Andrew was in the RAF, at one time stationed at RAF Conningsby.

I understood that this was public knowledge.

With regards to his profile on the TVOC site, when the site went tits up shortly after first flight a lot of items vanished.
The claim for this was that the person responsible for the site had found a problem and was putting it right.
To my knowledge this problem as never been corrected.
I have on several occasions emailed about this and had replies explaining that it was been restructured etc.

So with regards to Andrews profile being 'TEXT REQUIRED' from day one I am sorry Sooty but that was not the case.

I'm quite happy to retract the "from day 1", but the first time I looked was long before the first flight, and "TEXT REQUIRED" was the text I found.

[PhantomAviator]

I do know that Andrew was in the RAF, at one time stationed at RAF Conningsby.

I understood that this was public knowledge.

With regards to his profile on the TVOC site, when the site went tits up shortly after first flight a lot of items vanished.
The claim for this was that the person responsible for the site had found a problem and was putting it right.
To my knowledge this problem as never been corrected.
I have on several occasions emailed about this and had replies explaining that it was been restructured etc.

So with regards to Andrews profile being 'TEXT REQUIRED' from day one I am sorry Sooty but that was not the case.

I'm quite happy to retract the "from day 1", but the first time I looked was long before the first flight, and "TEXT REQUIRED" was the text I found.

Appreciated, when I first started working for TVOC most of them stated TEXT REQIRED, but after I had been there a month they were all updated to read profiles on all members of management.
There was also up to date photographs of all the departmental staff.

Whilst I was at TVOC I found Andrew to be a person who would listen and in 80% of the cases act upon what needed to be done.

[Sooty655]

So what you are saying is that the relevant CV was available for a short time, although not at the beginning and not recently, and although it was available for that short time, no-one seems to be able to remember what it said.

Strange.

[MrTim]

I think the important thing is to get the relavant info posted up there, and get the rest of the details up-to-date. People can then make their own reasoned judgements.

I've also called for there to be something similar to the 'wall of fame' for people who've been involved in the project in the past who seem to have just been erased from history.

[Sooty655]

I think the important thing is to get the relavant info posted up there, and get the rest of the details up-to-date. People can then make their own reasoned judgements.

I've also called for there to be something similar to the 'wall of fame' for people who've been involved in the project in the past who seem to have just been erased from history.

I couldn't agree more. An excellent proposal.

[Air]

Air, i have only "hated" a mere handful of people in my life, and AE is certainly not one of them!

i have met AE, and i found him to be an extremely amiable and pleasant person

however, i have very little respect for his professional managerial qualities. over the years that i have been 'involved' with 558, and many of those who've worked directly with VTST, i have discovered that very few, if any at all, have a good thing to say about how AE conducts himself professionally

i have personally encountered his lack of managerial skill on several occasions. even as i type, there is still an unresolved issue, with which i am personally involved, where AE's inability to manage his employees appropriately is seriously thwarting the progress of VTST, both financially, and from a business 'policy' perspective

i am far from being alone in these views

sm

OK, I accept you don't hate him on a personal level and shouldn't have posted that, so apologies.
Also I'd like to make it clear that I have no views one way or another about Mr Edmondson as I simply haven't ever met him or talked to him in person so I'm not judging him here.
However it's no secret some here want him, how should I say, 'relieved of his position', so I was just looking (on the main Vulcan site) to see what his background and credentials were regarding having a fairly important position such as Engineering Director.

Judging by what you've written SM, it seems you are directly involved with things over at TVOC so can you elaborate on this 'unresolved issue' you are having with Mr Edmondson?
I just find it hard to understand that he could have been given the job in the first place if he's as bad as some make out.

I do know that Andrew was in the RAF, at one time stationed at RAF Conningsby.

Some experience at playing darts and drinking with aeroplanes then.

[Saracenman]

sorry Air - all will come out in the wash one day

sm

[Dan4th]