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Postby Mayfly » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:05 am

10 Years after the Concord crash in Paris Continental Airlines & 5 indivuals go on trial.

http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=92476
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Yorkie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:49 am

I don't know the ins and outs of aviation policy, but wouldn't it be the responsibility of the airport owner owner or the company running it to ensure that there is no FOD and the runway was clear?

yes if there are breaches in engineering at continental, prosecute them. but not manslaughter.

I would have thought that the two men from Aerospatiale would have been more at fault knowing about the fault on concorde.
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Sooty655 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:26 am

You have to remember that the former French policy of immediate surrender has been replaced by a "Blame someone else" approach. :)) :))
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Checkflaps » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:59 am

After the 'BEA' ignored the firemen who were closest to the scene as it started, the investigation kinda falls short in my opinion .

The fact that flames were seen well before the strip of metal was located on the runway. The wheel spacers that meant that Concorde was wobbly and pulled to the left. It was a downwind takeoff. The runway surface was very poor for the first 1/3 of the takeoff run (hastily resurfaced before any investigation of its poor state was carried out). They added more fuel than required to get to the runway. There was extra baggage on board that was not calculated for. The FE shut down an engine without authorisation of the captain.

Basically, there was SO much more wrong with this accident than simply a piece of FOD from Continental aircraft. I suspect that much of this 'ignored' evidence will pop up in court and the prosecution will not have much of a leg to stand on. IMHO

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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Mayfly » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:01 pm

I must admit the whole incident stinks!!!!
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Dan4th » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:06 pm

Yeah, I've always read that there's plenty
of blame to go around here, and I think
what we're seeing is just the human need
to punish Someone, ANYONE, when things
go wrong.

Waste of Time and Money, IMHO....

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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Gaz » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:23 pm

It's the whole thing of, if you blame enough people, nobody will actually get charged with anything
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Xplumberlives » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:17 pm

Sooty655 wrote:You have to remember that the former French policy of immediate surrender has been replaced by a "Blame someone else" approach. :)) :))




Indeed! =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Dan4th » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:25 pm

Xplumberlives wrote:
Sooty655 wrote:You have to remember that the former French policy of immediate surrender has been replaced by a "Blame someone else" approach. :)) :))

Indeed! =)) =)) =)) =)) =))


But NEVER NEVER NEVER Themselves!

Sacre Bleu!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Xplumberlives » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:29 pm

Indeed deux!
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Gaz » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:07 pm

Go on Google. Search for french military victories. Click on "I'm feeling lucky"

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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Xplumberlives » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:35 pm

Gaz wrote:Go on Google. Search for french military victories. Click on "I'm feeling lucky"

:D




I fear I don't have long enough for the search to complete! ;)
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Gaz » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:36 pm

Xplumberlives wrote:
Gaz wrote:Go on Google. Search for french military victories. Click on "I'm feeling lucky"

:D




I fear I don't have long enough for the search to complete! ;)


I just like the alternative that google offers! :D
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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Xplumberlives » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:37 pm

OK, I'll give it a go!




Didn't take long =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))
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Concorde Trial Begins

Postby Thumper » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:50 pm

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Re: Continental Airlines / Concord

Postby Bovril » Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:34 pm

from what you read on the subject it still looks like a french cover up

Checkflaps wrote:After the 'BEA' ignored the firemen who were closest to the scene as it started, the investigation kinda falls short in my opinion .

The fact that flames were seen well before the strip of metal was located on the runway. The wheel spacers that meant that Concorde was wobbly and pulled to the left. It was a downwind takeoff. The runway surface was very poor for the first 1/3 of the takeoff run (hastily resurfaced before any investigation of its poor state was carried out). They added more fuel than required to get to the runway. There was extra baggage on board that was not calculated for. The FE shut down an engine without authorisation of the captain.

Basically, there was SO much more wrong with this accident than simply a piece of FOD from Continental aircraft. I suspect that much of this 'ignored' evidence will pop up in court and the prosecution will not have much of a leg to stand on. IMHO

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